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In response to: I've got solar; why is my bill so high?

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Thanks for that - in the FAQ section of that document is this clarification: “Please note that any net surplus energy credits remaining after your 12-month relevant period has ended will be given a monetary value. You may choose to receive a check, or roll-over the monetary value to your new 12-month relevant period.” So, either way, any surplus gets converted to a (tiny) monetary amount and you either get a (tiny) check, or apply it to next year’s bill. Jim
 Permalink 10/16/17 @ 11:30
wskcondor

In response to: I've got solar; why is my bill so high?

wskcondor
I found this in a brochure from SCE. Trying to see if I can attach it here,. But upon re-reading, I “think” they convert the kWh to $$ (and not much of it) and roll the $$ over to apply to whatever, usage, connection fees, etc. It just reads weird so I thought it might mean kWH. I can’t seem to attach, but it is entitled “Understanding Your Energy Bill For NET Energy Metering Customers”
 Permalink 10/15/17 @ 17:44

In response to: I've got solar; why is my bill so high?

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
First off, thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. I’m afraid you are reading it correctly - even though SCE shows the credit amount in retail dollars during the year, that is entirely misleading since they will not pay you that; rather, they will instead pay the $0.025/kWh that you identified. (We installed a large solar system for a client who then moved out of the house for a year during a major interior renovation. They showed a credit of more than $1,000! I had to remind him that what he was actually going to get was just a fraction of that amount!) I’m curious about one thing that you said - that SCE would allow you to care over the credit past the true-up as kWh. I was not aware of that, and the law does not require them to do so, making it odd that they would allow it! Can you point me to where that is discussed? Best regards… Jim
 Permalink 10/15/17 @ 09:26
wskcondor

In response to: I've got solar; why is my bill so high?

wskcondor
Jim, I only recently found your website and blog. WISH I WOULD HAVE SOONER!. Awesome and clear explanation of these issues and concepts, and does not feel like a sales pitch. I have a question I can’t seem to answer drifting around the web and the SCE site (kind of confusing, and they have been changing the site constantly). In your 2/17/17 post, you talk about bill shock and the “true up” time, on the anniversary of solar PTO being granted. Briefly you mention, “Now your usage will be “trued up” and you will either get a bill to pay (assuming that for the year you were a net energy purchaser) or a check (assuming you were a net energy seller, but don’t get too excited because that payment is really tiny).” I am trying to find out…how TINY that payment really will be. I have had solar since the end of June (just got in NEM 1.0 (I ‘think”, because I can’t find a SCE thing that says “NEM 1.0”, but I appear to continue to be on a tiered program)). I am making more than I am using, after I kind of really went into conserve mode. (Ironically I conserve a lot more now than I did when I had no solar). But up to the tune of 250-280 kWh excess each month. SCE bill shows a monetary value connected with that (say it is now $120) but then it says elsewhere “this is not the value you will receive” at the end of your relevant period, even if you request a check. They state that at the end of the relevant period, they true up the NET kWh’s, (in my case that I produced in excess of what I consumed so it is “negative” in their bookkeeping) and they multiply that by a number. This number is the “Net Surplus Compensation Rate” (NSCR). It gets more confusing trying to figure out what the NSCR is based upon, but in short, they use the NSCR times your production to decide what to pay you. But the NSCR is only around 2.5 CENTS per kWh. Nothing close to the 16 cents or more that a consumer would pay to use a grid kWh. I could understand it being a “little” less, minus fees and taxes and what not, but 2.5 cents seems really small. The wind up to the questions: Am I missing something here? Is SCE really going to pay only about 2.5 cents for each kWh I paid to produce in excess (at the anniversary of my PTO)? Is there another charge factor that I am missing? It also states a customer can “roll over” the kWh’s into the next relevant period…which might be a better value, for instance in case you thought your system might be down for maintenance for an extended period of time, or you wanted to store up kWh credits for a very hot summer… Just wanted to check with you and see if I am reading this confusing SCE stuff correctly or not. It seems to me “cashing out” at the true up date is not really worth it at all. Like getting cash for airline miles or something. I suppose this is what the utility companies WANT, i.e. de-incentivize the consumer from ever selling back to the grid (net energy). But it also seems counter to what the law “intended” when it decreed the companies had to buy back power fair and square. Lastly, the dollar amount they keep showing me REALLY should be defined as , “Thanks for producing extra! this is the amount of money, after all your usage and production, that you are letting us charge our other customers for electricity that we did nothing to produce”.
 Permalink 10/15/17 @ 08:33
solarkings

In response to: SE Takes the Leap, Highlighting Enphase's Superior Product - UPDATE!

solarkings
The SEDG litigation is great news! More advertising for ENPH’s superior product. I guess SEDG never read about the Streisand Effect, eh!! The litigation is an open statement that SEDG feels threatened by the AC Modules aka microinverters 2.0, and now they’ve just gone and given it more spotlight!! Go Enphase, go! Hoping Aleo is the potential partner Enphase was alluding to in last c.c. Would get them into even more markets like Germany and all of eastern Europe. AC Modules are the way… Great article, Jim.
 Permalink 08/02/17 @ 07:13

In response to: NEM 2.0 is Here - Now What?

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Russ - thanks for your comment. I agree that solar owners do benefit from the grid, but the grid also benefits from the investment of the solar owners. Unfortunately, when you interconnect a storage system to SCE’s grid it is not allowed (by SCE) to backfeed the grid. Nor are you allowed to charge the battery from the grid, it must be charged by the solar system. However, if the solar system exports power to the grid, that power is credited at the TOU rate. Jim
 Permalink 07/22/17 @ 07:31
rkj90266

In response to: NEM 2.0 is Here - Now What?

rkj90266
Jim, thanks for this summary. I am a solar enthusiast but I support SCE’s move here at least in broad principles. The solar customer enjoys benefits from being connected to the grid, and maintaining that connection costs SCE real money which needs to be somehow recognized in the rate policies. I have some questions though. It’s called “net energy metering 2.0″ - so is the solar customer’s energy exported to the grid credited at the same time of use rates as his consumption (so that energy injected during the peak hours gets 44.7 cents/kWh)? And if so, do you think this can create a business case for residential customers installing battery systems in order to export at that price during the peak hours? Are the costs there now to make this viable? If so, this will be great for everybody … a rational rate policy that recognizes the costs at the system level and encourages individual residential system owners to contribute to the solution. Combined with the CPUC’s “Rule 21″ improvements to inverter utility support, and despite the sometimes clumsy lobbying by the utility industry against solar, the solar industry will move toward being an essential part of managing and stabilizing the grid with less and less fossil fuel.
 Permalink 07/22/17 @ 02:33

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

admin
Hi Bill – SolarEdge will always suffer from having a single point of failure - if the string inverter goes out the whole system is offline until: a) you notice it (maybe when your next electric bill is surprisingly high), b) you get in touch with your installer (assuming that they are still in business and willing to provide service), and c) they come out and make the swap. Enphase avoids that pitfall, because if a microinverter fails, you lose that one unit, but everything else continues as before. We have been installing the S280’s for the past year or so, but are eager to move to the new IQ6+. It is lighter, and double insulated so the cable goes from four wires to just the two hots, making wiring easier and less expensive. We are also excited about the Enphase AC Battery for clients who are on time-of-use rates. Best regards… Jim
 Permalink 06/22/17 @ 18:32
wsweger

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

wsweger
Jim – It’s now been over 2 years since your article on optimizers vs. micro inverters, etc. With the upgrades and advancements on both sides, do you still recommend Enphase M250s, M280s, or a string inverter with optimizers? We’re looking right now and depending on what you see on line, YouTube, etc., it’s a mixed bag and has not changed too much overall. It’s still price vs. reliability, and the ROI. My head is spinning trying to decipher, and it’s been another 2 years to verify reliability of both systems in the field. Thoughts? Thank you for your advice/recommendations! - Bill Sweger
 Permalink 06/22/17 @ 14:21

In response to: Suniva - the Tail Wagging the Dog

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Frank – Thanks for the information - as to Sunpower I stand corrected. Much appreciated. (Though I swear I have heard Sunpower dealers tell potential customers that their panels are made in the USA!) Jim
 Permalink 05/01/17 @ 16:03
frank

In response to: Suniva - the Tail Wagging the Dog

frank
“SunPower is a premium (i.e., expensive) module that is also made in the U.S.” Sunpower doesn’t have manufacturing facilities in the USA. And I got the information from 10-k filing report with SEC on February 17, 2017, here is the link:http://investors.sunpower.com/sec.cfm"Our headquarters and research and development operations are located in California, and our manufacturing facilities are located in the Philippines, Malaysia, France, and Mexico.”
 Permalink 05/01/17 @ 15:39
sara

In response to: Solar + Storage = $avings!

sara
This is great news! Even people with older systems that have string inverters can use these batteries.
 Permalink 03/30/17 @ 09:58
stephanie

In response to: I've got solar; why is my bill so high?

stephanie
Awesome article, Jim- explains, with the clarity characteristic of your writing, what customers can realistically expect from their solar system. Most helpful!
 Permalink 02/20/17 @ 19:36
berry2k

In response to: Meet Sara Pavey!

berry2k
Welcome to a great company
 Permalink 01/23/17 @ 16:52

In response to: Understanding Tiered vs TOU Rates

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Not so sure about Australia, but here in CA it is common for the IOUs to ask for the sun, moon, and stars, but the CPUC usually dials back most of their excess (thank, in large part, to the work of the folks at CALSEIA). As for grid defection charges, I’m not sure that would be constitutional - seems like that would be imposing a contractual term, and a draconian one at that, that was never agreed to by the consumer.
 Permalink 11/07/16 @ 09:04
solarkings

In response to: Understanding Tiered vs TOU Rates

solarkings
Good article. TOU rates, tiered rates, demand-charge fees, etc. They’re all concocted to keep the revenue stream of the energy monopolies going. Warren Buffet and his cronies have enough. It’s time to end the monopoly. Residential storage is in its infancy, but in the coming years, if the energy monopolies get too greedy, then grid defection WILL occur, and they are afraid of that. In fact, in Australia right now, the energy monopolies are trying to get a charge enacted even if you are NOT connected to the grid…http://reneweconomy.com.au/networks-propose-compulsory-fees-for-all-to-stop-grid-defections-28523/
 Permalink 11/05/16 @ 14:20
boaz

In response to: Intersolar 2016 - Bests & Worsts of the Hottest Solar Event of the Year

boaz
re: Beamreach - we feel the same and just signed up as an Authorized Distributor. Our sales team will get trained in the next couple of weeks and we can start quoting projects. Also, thanks for the shout-out! So glad you enjoyed the lounge. And lastly, some people like Coors….go figure. It’s a strange world.
 Permalink 07/25/16 @ 10:20

In response to: Video Release: Making the world better...one roof at a time

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Thanks to you and Tom Miller for making this happen!
 Permalink 06/10/16 @ 09:10
boaz

In response to: Video Release: Making the world better...one roof at a time

boaz
Thanks for your kind words, Jim and Laurel. Video came out great!
 Permalink 06/10/16 @ 09:07
loridawn

In response to: Swing and a miss - Why some consumers don't go solar

loridawn
Excellent information, Jim!! Great article and data! I, too, find it surprising that the second issue stopping people from going solar is “Finding a trustworthy and competent installer.”
 Permalink 06/08/16 @ 16:43
Laurel Hamilton

In response to: Who Chooses Run on Sun?

Laurel Hamilton
Eek! We had a problem with people being able to leave comments. We hope it is now fixed and welcome your thoughts!
 Permalink 06/03/16 @ 16:22

In response to: 3 Rules to Avoid Shady Solar Contracts

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Hi Kimberly - thanks for taking the time to comment, and your kind words. I agree completely with your observations (with the exception of the value of the lease model - there we will simply have to agree to disagree!) We also provide a similar “Owner’s Manual” with all of our projects - it collects everything in one, attractive binder for future reference. I think long-term maintenance issues are important - it is one reason that we like microinverters as down-the-road panel substitutions (for a defective panel) should be easier. Fodder for a future post…
 Permalink 10/14/15 @ 07:31
kimberly_davis

In response to: 3 Rules to Avoid Shady Solar Contracts

kimberly_davis
Excellent article, Jim! The distinction between ‘equipment warranty’ and ‘installers’ warranty’ should also be clear. If something goes wrong, we really don’t want the customer wandering around up there. I developed a “Users Manual” for our solar projects - residential leases and commercial PPAs - which addressed safety, maintenance, when to call your installer, etc. The manual was custom to each customer and included spec sheets of the panels, inverters, and racking. We found the generic template and excellent marketing tool, as it put minds at ease as to how the thing worked and what would happen if something went wrong. (We were also able to customize for maintenance in very dusty areas like AZ, or snowy ones like VT.) With the extent of Chapter 11/13 and M&A going on in the solar manufacturing - as well as contractor - space, it is fair to wonder what the Plan B is. And that leads me to defend the lease model if working with an established, reputable solar company: Prices have indeed come down dramatically, and the end of the cash-grant 1603 makes investor financing for small DG projects less common. But it can be a great way of financing your system - the Fair Market Value purchase option at the end of the lease period means you then own your system with FREE power afterwards!
 Permalink 10/14/15 @ 06:41

In response to: Sunrun Gets Sued - But is a Bad Deal Deceptive? UPDATED x2

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Hi Tom - we try really hard to give people the most straight-forward info we can provide. Solar is a great investment, but not every seller of solar has the client’s best interests at heart. I have not been able to learn anything more about this case, or any other litigation against Sunrun. But I am very concerned that such litigation is sure to come, given how some of these programs have been sold to consumers.
 Permalink 10/09/15 @ 13:29
tom_combs

In response to: Sunrun Gets Sued - But is a Bad Deal Deceptive? UPDATED x2

tom_combs
Jim, Reading all the comments on SunRun, did anyone actually come up with someone who is pursuing this issue? I did some research and it looks like the original class action lawsuit by Reed, is dead in the water. Interesting enough we are trying to sell my mother-in-laws house and are having a BIG problem with potential buyers not wanting to assume the lease. Apparently this is becoming quite an issue in the real estate community. There are apparently many sellers who find themselves in the same position. Your site is the only one I have come across that is not a PR site for solar installation.
 Permalink 10/09/15 @ 13:23

In response to: The Perils of Solar Salesmen

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Hi Pam – Thanks for the pointer - I will check that out. Cheers… Jim
 Permalink 09/29/15 @ 15:10

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
William - the only claim that I made was that Enphase eliminates the single point of failure that is present with Solar Edge. That is a fact, not an opinion. In my opinion, that makes the Enphase approach more reliable from a system availability perspective. Thanks for taking the time to write. Jim
 Permalink 09/29/15 @ 15:09
chaolysti

In response to: The Perils of Solar Salesmen

chaolysti
Good message, Jim. For further reading, I recommend an expose on solar sales tactics written up by Bill Hirshman, one of PV Magazine’s journalists. http://pvandme.com/archives/2015
 Permalink 09/29/15 @ 13:35
william_brasky

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

william_brasky
Interesting reliability claims about a product that has only been on the market since 2008.
 Permalink 09/29/15 @ 12:40

In response to: Sunrun Gets Sued - But is a Bad Deal Deceptive? UPDATED x2

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Hi Walter - I’m sorry to hear about your experience. As you can see from these comments, your experience is not unique.
 Permalink 09/25/15 @ 08:20
walter_lukowski

In response to: Sunrun Gets Sued - But is a Bad Deal Deceptive? UPDATED x2

walter_lukowski
I to got duped into Sunrun, On my electric bill it shows that I owe SEC around $ 15.00 for electricity. But what they are not telling you is there is about $130.00 in generation and delivery charges, which makes my bill including Sunrun part $345.00. I have never had an electric bill over $300.00 before. Boy did I get ripped.
 Permalink 09/24/15 @ 22:54

In response to: Elon Musk's 3-Biggest Powerwall Whoppers

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Austin – Well I quoted his statement in full, as you can verify from the video link. The truth is, Elon provided none of the explanation or limitation you are offering. He has to live with what he actually said, not what he (or his lawyers) might wish he had said. Moreover, if he had nuanced his comments as you are suggesting, he would not have garnered the gasps and applause he got from his audience, and he wouldn’t have had tens of thousands of people signing up for what I’m sure *they* think is the chance to go off grid for an extra $3,500. Jim
 Permalink 09/18/15 @ 22:10
Austin

In response to: Elon Musk's 3-Biggest Powerwall Whoppers

Austin
Elon’s statement about living off grid for $3,500 is entirely out of context. His statement wasn’t meant to mean you could go off grid for the price of one powerwall. He simply meant that you could go off grid with a system comprised of solar and powerwall arrays, and then he was revealing the price of a single powerwall.
 Permalink 09/18/15 @ 19:08
Michael

In response to: Sunrun Gets Sued - But is a Bad Deal Deceptive? UPDATED x2

Michael
SunRun is the worst option in solar. Completely deceptive sales and it is a bad deal. The power company buys your electricity for .o4 cents and charges you retail. You also have to pay sunrun high tier price for electricity that you can get cheaper from the power company. The power company and sunrun make out and you the customer are left holding the bag. Read every word of a contract and run from SunRun.
 Permalink 09/02/15 @ 13:51
Ivor

In response to: Google: You're Being Evil!

Ivor
Google did something like that to me. I had close to 30 five star reviews. They chopped off 20 leaving me with 10. This was right after one of their sales agents after an hours presentation was not able to convince me to do PPC. I complained and they said it was a glitch and somehow the 20 or so were now lost. A week later and the remaining 10 were also “lost". It seems all review sites can do as they please. So now I do screen captures and place then on my own website. You might want to take this into your own hands in a similar way and ask the customer to change the wording.
 Permalink 08/30/15 @ 12:11

In response to: Fire! Is Solar a Threat?

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
John - that is a very good point - if the slabs of the building are in danger of collapse that would make it too dangerous for the fire fighters. But of course, that could be a risk in every tilt-up slab building out there, not just those with solar. Odd that nearly 2 years later and we haven’t heard anything about the cause of the fire. Jim
 Permalink 08/23/15 @ 10:07
John Drucker

In response to: Fire! Is Solar a Threat?

John Drucker
I understand also that there was concern of collapse due to the buildings tilt slab construction. There are a number of photographs taken that seem to indicate that tilt slab collapse did occur due to the collapse of the supporting (bracing) roof assembly. A 40 Foot tilt slab dictates a minimum 60 foot collapse zone. I agree with Chief Holt a firefighters life is not worth jeopardizes over property with the numerous hazards at this facility.
 Permalink 08/23/15 @ 09:59

In response to: Google: You're Being Evil!

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Thanks, Jane, for the kind words!
 Permalink 08/21/15 @ 07:32
Jane Houle!

In response to: Google: You're Being Evil!

Jane Houle!
RUN ON SUN is a highly thought of, and very well run company in the San Gabriel Valley!
 Permalink 08/20/15 @ 19:25

In response to: It's On - PG&E Declares War on Solar! - UPDATE

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Vincent - You are right, that is unbelievable. Good luck finding a lawyer! Jim
 Permalink 08/20/15 @ 13:24
vincent chang

In response to: It's On - PG&E Declares War on Solar! - UPDATE

vincent chang
got solar panels for my house in san Francisco and east Oakland. the installation and hook up in san Francisco with solar city took two months. the installation and hook up in east Oakland taking two years and counting? same company different result. why? not sure. maybe the utilities don’t want the people in the ghetto to go solar and cut out pg and e. their delays in processing this simple thing is unbelievable. looking for a class action lawyer to take my case against pg ande. Vincent chang.
 Permalink 08/20/15 @ 11:07
Solar Ledge

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

Solar Ledge
I am on the ledge with Solar Edge. Enphase is cat’s meow!
 Permalink 08/19/15 @ 23:40
frank_muntean

In response to: Will LA County Clean up its Act?

frank_muntean
Just try to re-roof a project in Los Angeles County for a residential project. Roofer contractor will not be allowed to pull a permit until solar installer takes a permit for re-installation. Solar Installer has to go thru the process as a brand new solar installation with wet stamp from structural engineer and electrical engineer. If the project was installed 2-3 years ago when central feed solar was allowed, now it is not permitted anymore, and you have to change also the main electrical panel. They ask you for the original approved plans but also they don’t have a copy, and they can’t provide it. I agree both roof and solar system have to be inspected but to see the solar system as a brand new installation it is a very long and costly way.
 Permalink 08/11/15 @ 14:03

In response to: Intersolar 2013 - Hot or Not?

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Anna - that is really shocking and I’m sorry you experienced such boorish behavior as part of the solar industry. You will be pleased to know that they are the exception, not the rule. Thanks for taking the time to write. Jim
 Permalink 08/03/15 @ 13:39
john_harvey

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

john_harvey
Regarding price - Enphase usually wins that comparison. A 5,000W string inverter runs about $2,000 to $4,000 depending on quality and guarantee (and it will be replaced at least once over the 25 year life of the panels so $4,000 to $8,000. 20 M250 Enphase micro-inverters runs about $3,000. So less money, more production, longer life, better warranty - what’s not to like? (Now if you add in the DC optimizers the price difference gets even larger.)
 Permalink 08/03/15 @ 12:50
Anna

In response to: Intersolar 2013 - Hot or Not?

Anna
Hi! I worked for one day at Intersolar in Munich with this Company! First they wanted that the cat women in the cages would wear only bra with leggings, no one wanted it, then they gave us also bodies to Cover naked Skin. Those who refused to work in the cage was told to not come to work anymore. I have Never been treated this way at work! It was horrible and downgrading!
 Permalink 08/02/15 @ 22:56

In response to: How Things Fail - Part 2 - a Commercial Disaster Waiting to Happen

Jim Jenal - Founder & CEO
Hi Carl – That’s a good catch, though compared to the hazards strewn across the arrays, it is a relatively minor concern. Jim
 Permalink 07/30/15 @ 14:07
carl

In response to: How Things Fail - Part 2 - a Commercial Disaster Waiting to Happen

carl
I also see that someone forgot to research the inverter clearance requirements. The first inverter is immediately next to the AC panelboard, without the required 8″ spacing. This is an issue for proper inverter ventilation.
 Permalink 07/30/15 @ 08:51
Stephanie

In response to: Will LA County Clean up its Act?

Stephanie
Thanks for keeping us up to date and holding local jurisdictions accountable for their rulings/actions as well as for initiating a valuable dialogue!
 Permalink 07/23/15 @ 17:56
cal

In response to: Who has the Edge? 3 Reasons to Pick Enphase over SolarEdge

cal
I came at this from a different perspective, and went SolarEdge. 1) SolarEdge has one point of failure on the ground where it is accessible, versus multiple points of failure on the roof with Enphase. This was based on my belief that roof optimizers by themselves were more reliable (fewer parts) than inverters. 2) For my particular setup (with no shading other than when it snows), my calculations showed the SolarEdge inverter would come on faster. Your mileage may vary however, and if I had shading I’d look harder at Enphase. 3) SolarEdge’s software was far better and I was able to pinpoint some panels that were not the wattage they should have been (but there software does have areas needing improvement too). Now, that being said, a month after install I had the SolarEdge inverter go out, and there are burn marks inside the DC cutoff switch. We are yet to hear what that issue was or the resolution, and how SolarEdge deals with it. That is costing me a few days of sunshine and I’m not too happy with SolarEdge at the moment on that score. Anyway … I’m somewhat non-biased other than having made a decision.
 Permalink 07/22/15 @ 19:13
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